I dispute the basic facts of the first paragraph this piece is built upon. Andres clearly explained why he thought they were specifically targeted. All 3 cars in the convoy were hit in coordinated fashion over a mile long stretch of IDF controlled territory. Their cars were well marked and registered.
Many of us left leaning non crazies sincerely believe Israel is acting outside its interests in pursuing such hardline tactics that result in slaughter of innocents like this episode clearly demonstrates. Many of us are speaking our honest beliefs, in solidarity with Israel, not Hamas.
But he offered no proof in support of his theory that the convoy was deliberately targeted, did he? He just put it out there. And by the way, the incident happened at night and the markings were not visible to the operator of the drone. It was a tragic accident, certainly, but the food convoy was not deliberately targeted because it was a food convoy.
As for you "left leaning non crazies," what makes you think you have a better idea of what's in Israel's interests than the Israelis themselves? It was they who went through the horror of October 7, 2023. You people just sat home and watched it on TV.
I think you assumed he meant they were deliberately targeted for the fact they were delivering food aid. I took him to mean they weren’t specifically protected for delivering food aid and were targeted nonetheless.
Perhaps he should have been clearer
My experience tho surely biased, I’m friends with a couple Israelis who think the war is being conducted too brutally
He said what he said, which was that the convoy was deliberately targeted. That was pretty clear. Your assumptions as to what he really meant may be correct, but we have no way of knowing, since so far as I know the guy hasn't clarified his comments. And plenty of other "anti-Zionist" Jew bashers have charged that Israel makes a practice of deliberately targeting humanitarian aid organizations, whis is a bare-faced lie.
But it is true the convoy was deliberately targeted. Only in error even though it was registered. Israel has said this in their preliminary investigation. They shot what they knew was aid org cars because they wrongly believed a terrorist was among them, or diverting the aid.
This is obviously totally unacceptable and Israel has also said so much in their apologies.
You are taking an issue of semantics as malice as far as I can tell. It is not antisemitism. If you read Andres op-ed, you’d know his org has also delivered hundreds of thousands of meals to displaced Israelis. Antisemitism on the left, is really among a very small but very vocal minority. They and the media feed off each other because they “increase engagement”
It may also be due to the “antisemitism on the Left” that Andres did not want to publicize that WCK was also helping hundreds of thousands of displaced Israelis. To know definitively, you’d have to ask him.
It’s another piece in the puzzle for those who suggest Israel - which had invited WCK to provide aid as it did not trust UNRWA or Hamas-supporting NGOs to be non-political - intentionally sought to force out WCK just to hurt Gazans.
Andres did clearly specify this in his New York Times op-ed. Perhaps certain media wanted you to have a different impression.
“From Day 1, we have fed Israelis as well as Palestinians. Across Israel, we have served more than 1.75 million hot meals. We have fed families displaced by Hezbollah rockets in the north. We have fed grieving families from the south. We delivered meals to the hospitals where hostages were reunited with their families. We have called consistently, repeatedly and passionately for the release of all the hostages.”
Platitude, but Israel is winning the war on the ground and losing the propaganda war.
I am concerned about the longer term consequences.
South Africa fell (yes, the country has been in continuous decline since the ANZ took over) because international sanctions and pressure made it impossible for the country to continue.
Europe, where antisemitism continues is seizing the opportunity.
(I have German family and go there twice a year. I often hear: "Yes,the Holocaust was terrible, but what the Jews are doing...)
It is wonderful, how some knowledge of history and military realities puts things in perspective. And, who knows, if the Israelis had been able to proceed full steam ahead the war would be over by now (or very close to it).
I dispute the basic facts of the first paragraph this piece is built upon. Andres clearly explained why he thought they were specifically targeted. All 3 cars in the convoy were hit in coordinated fashion over a mile long stretch of IDF controlled territory. Their cars were well marked and registered.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/03/opinion/jose-andres-let-people-eat.html
Israel has since admitted they wrongly targeted the convoy due to a series of errors, including violations in the rules of engagement.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/05/world/middleeast/israel-military-world-central-kitchen-strike.html
Many of us left leaning non crazies sincerely believe Israel is acting outside its interests in pursuing such hardline tactics that result in slaughter of innocents like this episode clearly demonstrates. Many of us are speaking our honest beliefs, in solidarity with Israel, not Hamas.
But he offered no proof in support of his theory that the convoy was deliberately targeted, did he? He just put it out there. And by the way, the incident happened at night and the markings were not visible to the operator of the drone. It was a tragic accident, certainly, but the food convoy was not deliberately targeted because it was a food convoy.
As for you "left leaning non crazies," what makes you think you have a better idea of what's in Israel's interests than the Israelis themselves? It was they who went through the horror of October 7, 2023. You people just sat home and watched it on TV.
I think you assumed he meant they were deliberately targeted for the fact they were delivering food aid. I took him to mean they weren’t specifically protected for delivering food aid and were targeted nonetheless.
Perhaps he should have been clearer
My experience tho surely biased, I’m friends with a couple Israelis who think the war is being conducted too brutally
He said what he said, which was that the convoy was deliberately targeted. That was pretty clear. Your assumptions as to what he really meant may be correct, but we have no way of knowing, since so far as I know the guy hasn't clarified his comments. And plenty of other "anti-Zionist" Jew bashers have charged that Israel makes a practice of deliberately targeting humanitarian aid organizations, whis is a bare-faced lie.
But it is true the convoy was deliberately targeted. Only in error even though it was registered. Israel has said this in their preliminary investigation. They shot what they knew was aid org cars because they wrongly believed a terrorist was among them, or diverting the aid.
This is obviously totally unacceptable and Israel has also said so much in their apologies.
You are taking an issue of semantics as malice as far as I can tell. It is not antisemitism. If you read Andres op-ed, you’d know his org has also delivered hundreds of thousands of meals to displaced Israelis. Antisemitism on the left, is really among a very small but very vocal minority. They and the media feed off each other because they “increase engagement”
It may also be due to the “antisemitism on the Left” that Andres did not want to publicize that WCK was also helping hundreds of thousands of displaced Israelis. To know definitively, you’d have to ask him.
It’s another piece in the puzzle for those who suggest Israel - which had invited WCK to provide aid as it did not trust UNRWA or Hamas-supporting NGOs to be non-political - intentionally sought to force out WCK just to hurt Gazans.
Andres did clearly specify this in his New York Times op-ed. Perhaps certain media wanted you to have a different impression.
“From Day 1, we have fed Israelis as well as Palestinians. Across Israel, we have served more than 1.75 million hot meals. We have fed families displaced by Hezbollah rockets in the north. We have fed grieving families from the south. We delivered meals to the hospitals where hostages were reunited with their families. We have called consistently, repeatedly and passionately for the release of all the hostages.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/03/opinion/jose-andres-let-people-eat.html
A very plausible possibility...
Platitude, but Israel is winning the war on the ground and losing the propaganda war.
I am concerned about the longer term consequences.
South Africa fell (yes, the country has been in continuous decline since the ANZ took over) because international sanctions and pressure made it impossible for the country to continue.
Europe, where antisemitism continues is seizing the opportunity.
(I have German family and go there twice a year. I often hear: "Yes,the Holocaust was terrible, but what the Jews are doing...)
And Iran will get nuclear weapons.
Pure speculation, but I am not sanguine.
Sorry.
Typo.
ANC
It is wonderful, how some knowledge of history and military realities puts things in perspective. And, who knows, if the Israelis had been able to proceed full steam ahead the war would be over by now (or very close to it).